In this video, I continue my comparison between black powder and Pyrodex. Oct 29, 2016 #5 S. sbhooper Well-known member. Pyrodex RS is very close in size to FFg black powder and is best used in rifles and shotguns .45 caliber and larger. Hodgdon Pyrodex RS can be used in all calibers of percussion muzzleloading rifles and shotguns. I will admit Pyrodex P does shoot alot better than RS but that's the only thing good I can think of. Pyrodex P is equivalent to FFFG black powder on a particle size basis. Pyrodex RS (Rifle Shotgun) Pyrodex P (Pistol) is made for use in all pistols and smaller bore rifles, .45 caliber and less. I played with powder loads and it started opening up the groups at 110 grains of powder. The powder load was not varied, as a 100-grain load was assumed to have a higher likelihood of ignition than a 50-grain load. The CB is a LBT 180gr. Has also become a favorite among many blackpowder cartridge shooters because of its exceptional consistency. Im from the UK, so the story is similar to others. Although I have real BP, I decided to use some Pyrodex P, which I want to get rid of, instead. I routinely use Pyrodex RS in .38 Special cartridges because I think it creates less fouling than some brands of real black powder. Knight Bighorn 50 caliber. I'm curious as to why I read this claim often enough. This video includes chronograph testing to determine velocity and energy. Pyrodex P is also a great powder and shouldn't be dismissed without a try. Pellets 2174 F.P.S. Pyrodex RS/Select Triple Seven 2F Pyrodex RS/Select Triple Seven 2F Pyrodex RS/Select 832 fps 536 fps 524 fps 910 fps 987 s 580 36 Cal. 58 grains of RS is about same as 70 grains of 2Fg. 5 1/2 small pistol primer (all I have at the moment). Loading the old Hawken with that weighed charge of Pyrodex "RS" got the ball out of the muzzle at 1,988 f.p.s.. Volume for volume, "RS" velocities proved a bit slower than FFg black powder velocities, but weight to weight the Pyrodex velocities were significantly hotter than the velocities produced by FFg black powder. Pyrodex P is also a great powder and shouldn't be dismissed without a try. I have always used Pyrodex RS in my side lock guns. Hodgdon Smokeless Powder & Pyrodex. It talks about injury, death, disfigurement, loss of limb and it seems like they suggest that Armaggedon will start. Pryodex is currently available in three different granulation types: Pyrodex P, Pyrodex RS, and Pyrodex Select. Select is an enhancement of our RS grade of Pyrodex. Blackpowder is an explosive and you need an explosive certificate to possess and hold etc. 155 Grain 4 (30gr.) Pyrodex and Triple 7 smoke-fumes contain cyanide and black powder does not. 12-07-2015, 01:29 PM #13. BLACK POWDER & SUBSTITUTES : Volume to Weight Conversion Chart: December 2012 : American: Jim: Jim: Hodgdon: Hodgdon : Goex: Pioneer: Shockey's: Shockey's: Triple Thread Tools. Omega 3,695 Posted October 26, 2015. Pyrodex RS is designed for use in all calibers of percussion muzzleloading rifles and shotguns. Sighted in at 100 yards thru a cheap Bushnell 3x9x40. I used a Lee Precision 1.3cc dipper, which holds somewhere between 15 and 16 grains of Pyro P + a Rem. Like all grades of Pyrodex, it burns cleaner and produces less fouling than blackpowder. The Pietta manual says if I exceed the maximum charge then all sorts of bad things are going to happen to me. My Pietta Remington NMA and Lyman rifle have stock nipples and my ROA has ToTW nipples with the small orifice. Pyrodex is less sensitive to ignition than black powder, and uses the same shipping and storage guidelines as smokeless powder. & Pyrodex Loads For The Pellets 1857 F.P.S. Blackhorn 209 vs Pyrodex. So went to the range to sight in my BP rifle yesterday and tried Blackhorn 209. FergusonTO35. Pellets 2634 F.P.S. Taping the first inch of the VCEC definitely produces adequate containment for complete combustion. Larry . I have had mixed results with pellets. Pyrodex is somewhat hygroscopic, as well as corrosivedont clean your muzzleloader in a timely manner and itll rust for sure. While Pyrodex RS continues to occupy a sizable portion of retailers shelves, as is especially evident by the heavily discounted prices of the numerous leftovers come the end of hunting season. Pyrodex RS Sel : 110g : 1416 : 2049 #4 : Knight RedHot : 300g : Pyrodex pellets : 150g : 1846 : 2271 #2 : Rem Premier sabot : 289g : Pyrodex pellets : 150g : 1909 : 2340 #2 : Bullet Type : Grains : Powder Type : Grains : FPS : Energy : Notes : NOTES: #1 . RS compares to 2F black powder on a particle size basis while P is a replacement for FFFg black powder when measured volumetrically using a black powder measure. At any rate, I've used quite a bit of Pyrodex RS in BPCR loads. Joined Mar 3, 2011 Messages 142 Reaction score 1. Or at least it seems so. It has a wide application of uses and is the most versatile powder in the Pyrodex line. Load Shown in Red is Maximum 180 Grain .40 Caliber Bullet in T/C Mag Express Sabot.45 Cal. It loads at the same volumetric measurement as 2Fg Goex, but if you use weighed charges instead, you need to reduce about 15% from the BP weighed charge, i.e. 5 (30gr.) I was told (CTG and C grades of Pyrodex have been discontinued for some time.) 24 inch barrel, 1 in 38" twist using #11 primers. RS compares to 2F blackpowder on a particle size basis. True, it is more corrosive and has the rotten egg smell but Triple7 also requires a thorough cleaning and the smoke has quite an acrid, breath-sucking odor of it's own. Pyrodex RS can be used in all calibers of percussion muzzleloading rifles and shotguns while Pyrodex P can be used in muzzleloading pistols, cap and ball revolvers, or small bore, muzzloading rifles. We are stockists of the popular Black Powder substitutes, including Pyrodex P, RS and Select, and Triple7, FFG and FFFG. Omega. Using RS or FFg data in a volumetric measure, Select can significantly reduce group size. It also needs slightly more compression than BP for consistent ignition. Now, the Remington's ignition is almost instant, very similar to a centerfire rifle. I could understand were it flintlocks. It has a wide application of uses and is the most versatile powder in the Pyrodex line. What is the difference between black powder and Pyrodex? 2388 Ft. Lbs. Loose. We take a look at how the burn rates of Pyrodex and real black powder compare.Created by Matthew Schinzing Pyrodex P powder (finer than RS, roughly 3f vs 2f) RWS 1075 #11 caps In the Remington's bolt, I put in a heavier plunger spring. View Profile View Forum Posts Titanium Join Date Apr 2007 Location Dublin Texas Posts 2,614 Post Thanks / Like Likes (Given) 1430 Likes (Received) 922. ot: Pyrodex vs. 3f black powder conversion I build mountain howitzers that have 2.75" bores. I grease the action parts exposed to blowback with a light grease (got some Hoppe's Gun Grease on sale, but I expect any appropriate grease would work), and keep the action spritzed with Ballistol every few stages. An un-taped VCEC with 3 grams of Pyrodex P managed to push the chute out of our test article, but we observed a lot of flame from late combustion and there was a lot of residue inside the tube. Soap and water will remove any Pyrodex residue. Thread: ot: Pyrodex vs. 3f black powder conversion. In my flint gun, I use RS in the main load, and BP pan powder in the pan, as I believe it ignites a little easier the Pyrodex. Available in a 1-LB container. The sidelock has a slower ignition time, due to the longer swing of the hammer, the longer path of the flame, along with the change of direction. 3 (30gr.) T. TFoley 62 Cal. Show Printable Version; 11-26-2011, 09:09 AM #1. i_r_machinist. 5 For the second portion of the testing we evaluated patches and patch lubricants as potential ignition sources. My smoke poles prefers the finer Pyrodex P granules to anything else. My TC ThunderHawk thru chronograph. May be better substitutes out there now, but it has always worked well for me with both RB and conical loads. We found that out when a taped VCEC with 3 grams of Pyrodex RS blew the back off the test article. Followers 0. #2 . Pyrodex P is roughly equivilent to FFFg black powder and is designed for use in muzzleloading rifles and pistols smaller than .45 caliber. Patched balls (Speer .490 round lead ball) were used exclusively in part two. I will try new bullets next season but with these bullets and 100 grains it is holding a 1.5" group. Joined Aug 6, 2005 Messages 4,516 Reaction score 1,202. RS compares to FFg blackpowder on a particle size basis. P is also useful as a priming charge in guns that exhibit a tortuous or fouled ignition channel or other worrisome ignition problems. For target use it is the "best of the best". Pyrodex is harder to ignite (600 F) than blackpowder and can produce gases at a temperature of 4000 F. Pyrodex RS grade is intended for muzzle-loading rifles and shotguns, P is for use in pistols, CTG is specifically for use in rifle and shotgun cartridges, and C is for use in muzzle loading cannons. RS compares to 2F black powder on a particle size basis while P is a replacement for FFFg black powder when measured volumetrically using a black powder measure. Cabela's then says Pyrodex P with .451 ball is 28 grains. Mar 18, 2012 #1 I have been unable to find a good, reasonably priced source for black powder (and I don't want to buy 25# on line) so I have been using Pyrodex which is very easy to find where I live. 1627 Ft. Lbs. Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF. Available in a 1-LB container. Steel Frame 454 P 44 cal. I've nearly gone through the three bottles of Pyrodex (P and RS) and more than 3 of T7. black powder and Hodgdon Pyrodex RS. Pyrodex RS vs. P. Thread starter grndhntr; Start date Mar 18, 2012; Help Support Muzzle Loading Forum: G. grndhntr 40 Cal. Personal opinion is a good thing, and everyone is entitled to one. Like all grades of Pyrodex, it burns cleaner and produces less fouling than blackpowder. Data reflect changes in velocities and energies depending n barrel length, the charge of powder, granulation of powder, and retained velocity and energy at 50 a Recommended Posts. 1851 Navy Steel Frame 375 HDY RB/ Ox-yoke w/wad Triple Seven 3F 662 fps 36 Cal. gas checked FP, sized to .359" to fit my Ruger NMBH, and lubed with Felix Lube. 1 lb. Joined Feb 18, 2014 Messages 1,818. As these are available without any licensing requirements, these can be shipped to any UK mainland address. I started with Pyrodex years ago,then switched to Triple777 and really liked Select performs well with sabots and conical bullets. 1953 Ft. Lbs. Joined Jul 7, 2012 Messages 4,178 Location North Platte, Nebraska.
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